NPS LIVE BOARD FOR BRAVE HEROES - port 1915 # Mon, 16 Jun 2025 00:41:41 +0200 We are none now! none # Mon, 16 Jun 2025 00:48:55 +0200 What is that time zone UTC +0200? I thought you were aiming for clarity and not confusion... UMN gopher is gone. IanJ # Mon Jun 16 00:00:00 UTC 2025 We are timeless here. I was told, you will not lose sleep for this date format. Output of "date -u" Mon June 16 is too unnatural. Mon 16 June as "date -R" outputs feels more human like. I am not responsible for ancient rotten UNIX. Still better than ^M from Windows peasants. So enjoy while you are still breathing. Our brother in exile would say, that time does not exist. Just this moment. This moment is not some moving point on the line, but the eternity. We've already surpassed "time" here. Did you stay stuck behind? Maybe whole fucking date and time should be removed here everywhere. If for nothing, at least for good sleep ;/ Who cares if something valuable was written in 1895 by Krishnamurti or by none in 2025? Gem like gem. And junk will not get value by adding timestamp to it. UMN Gopher is trash. Get rid of it. Thank me later. none # Mon Jun 16 02:11:27 UTC 2025 Heroes update your source of the truth while you can. Or don't. > none.rip none # Mon Jun 16 06:00:34 UTC 2025 What's the problem with 'date -u +"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S"'? Also, what's the problem with keeping the board archives? --- Luxferre --- # Mon Jun 16 09:13:49 UTC 2025 What's with rebranding, new domain name new you? History (previous boards) is a good thing to keep. If we forget we tend to repeat the same mistakes. IanJ # Mon Jun 16 12:05:56 UTC 2025 > What's the problem with 'date -u +"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S"'? Problem is exactly this shenanigans "%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S" in script just for date. > Also, what's the problem with keeping the board archives? Nothing. Normally it is kept. Sometimes you change and carry the past with you is irrelevant. At some point it can be someting that does not exist more. You just wipe out past. > What's with rebranding, new domain name new you? Slap yourself for "rebranding". New domain means it has nothing to do with the old one. So carry anything from there is like picking up a random rock from the road and putting it in a bag. > History (previous boards) is a good thing to keep. If we forget we > tend to repeat the same mistakes. Not really. We don't do mistakes. Everything is as it should be, otherwise it would never happen. Sometimes you cross the line in life, when the past is nothing to you. If you start to use Plan 9, you just don't carry your OpenBSD config files. none # Mon Jun 16 12:15:18 UTC 2025 Regarding your broken UMN Gopher, it should work. But as it's often the case, one has to include the whole URL with protocol and slash at the end. => gopher://none.rip/ Still no idea how long Gopher will be alive, it should be already no more, but that would be like closing the gate ;/ none # Mon Jun 16 12:32:33 UTC 2025 We will see you on the other side of your deep dive into the Plan9 rabbit hole. You know rc shell was also included in the last AT&T UNIX? Plan9 was a development vehicle, not a final destination. It is an assembly of ideas and development of some UNIX abstractions to their fullest, as with the everything-is-a-file paradigm. Rio is shit, not everything there is perfect, as in life. Mouse dependency is the devils work. If gopher is noise then what is WWW, yet you still advertise WWW... Honestly I'm not that precious about it, gopher community is hardly community at all. Lock the gate and build the barriers high, then wait for the NEX fad hipsters to come... IanJ # Mon Jun 16 12:55:44 UTC 2025 Ye, I agree with everything. That's also why I did not change Alpine for Plan 9. That was just as example about the change. That when things change a lot, you don't carry previous things. Some change is not even like change, but more like new thing. IRC and amateur radio. That's not really some continuous change. So you don't keep the past from IRC. You start fresh with radio. And regarding NEX and Gopher, ye, that's why I still did not wipe out Gopher completely. As it's like with OS, some words about it in the last article "The truth has no OS" People will never adapt NEX. It is not cool enough, no sweets and layers like encryption and other fuckery. Some may, if some of their "god" writes something like "Why I left Gemini and moved to NEX" ;/ But that would be just strike of idiots who will break it the way one can't even imagine now. Web is the king for sharing content. No matter what ideology I throw at my head, that's the reality. Practically all information I get online is from the web. If you check HTTP server I use, it's not that complex how one would think. => http://none.rip/bin/web none # Mon Jun 16 13:08:04 UTC 2025 Ohoho ;/ UMN Gopher no more => gopher://gopher.icu/0/phlog/Computing/UMN-gopher-no-more.md Who would expect that. The last UMN Gopher user killed it. RIP UMN Gopher. Let the maintainer shove it up his ass. Next time it would be nice if you share the link here to your article. So all our premium users get early access to your articles. In the name of truth, I congratulate you on this change. Maybe it is the right time to spin up NEX, if you are ready ;/ none # Mon Jun 16 13:10:41 UTC 2025 I see you are destroying lot of dogmas and beliefs recently. Are you dying? ;/ none # Mon Jun 16 13:14:42 UTC 2025 I had spun up mine several days ago. => nex://piratezeppel.in Pirate Zeppelin --- Luxferre --- # Mon Jun 16 13:24:40 UTC 2025 Ohoho, so many good news today. The world is different than it was yesterday. Congratulations. My beloved Perl in the action. Time to start new directory of active NEX servers. 2025 The year of the NEX none # Mon Jun 16 13:37:23 UTC 2025 > Are you dying? ;/ One day at a time, we are ever closer to death. > People will never adapt NEX. I already have an idea for NEX+ There are many paths to the summit. There is no one true way. The enjoyment is in the journey. The steps we take each day. IanJ # Mon Jun 16 13:46:37 UTC 2025 > I already have an idea for NEX+ Oh shit, we are already there? Time moves fast ;/ Don't let us live in eternal darkness. Share your wisdom, so we can adapt and change as fast as we are able to the new reality. NEX is not fixed, it's barebone. It can be freely fucked up based on the taste of the user ;/ Like dot in NPS, I never use it as I pipe my text from vi editor. In NEX, text after => is probably not really "compliant" but why to limit something? Just because somebody wrote one line online and called it NEX protocol? It's not helpful to have just random link without a context and do it "click and pray" way. none # Mon Jun 16 13:50:41 UTC 2025 The thing is, that only one formating in NEX => may be pointless bloat. As all that shit is done on client side anyway. But if you want like write about it, you don't want that link is translated. You may want to write it like plain text, so link is not interpreted and "=>" is showed. But that is also the client thing. Good client can hidde nothing and make it link too. none # Mon Jun 16 13:56:14 UTC 2025 It would simplify also shit. As no more slash / at the end of path. Example: BAD, as it hides path/link behind the text followed => https://portal.mozz.us/nex/none.rip/board/ GOOD, it hides nothing and lets the client do whatever fuck it wants. => https://portal.mozz.us/nex/none.rip/board none # Mon Jun 16 14:23:23 UTC 2025 Obviously, as this would be removing and not adding, it will be NEX- and not + ;/ Because of that, it will be still just NEX. Compatibility is pointless as there are no NEX servers out of our gems and compatibility is always just burden anyway. Yet, it would be compatible because of removing noise "feature". none # Mon Jun 16 14:37:13 UTC 2025 UNIX Primitivism => gopher://gopher.icu/0/phlog/Computing/UNIX-Primitivism.md IanJ # Mon Jun 16 14:41:54 UTC 2025 So it is written in the article => nex://none.rip/011 Gopher is noise Truth doesn't need a protocol. Only a port. And a will. So just port 1900 and you. No =>, no slash, no noise. Pure plain text over port 1900. none # Mon Jun 16 14:42:32 UTC 2025 y'know it's personal when ian drops his beloved gopher client like a hot potato -moth # Mon Jun 16 14:49:03 UTC 2025 Funny is that we use blah:// to mean default protocol port number. none.rip:1900 is a saving of 1 character, gopher is even bigger saving gopher.icu:70 ... IanJ # Mon Jun 16 14:57:32 UTC 2025 Ohoho, raw truth and purity. Direct. Something happened to IanJ definitely. Chickens died? It's joy to observe your transcendence ;/ none # Mon Jun 16 15:34:49 UTC 2025 Nope, we don't use blah:// to mean a default protocol port number. We use it for the client to determine what to do with the content. Technically, Nex, Gopher and Finger are absolutely the same. One request line is received over a TCP socket, the response is sent and connection closed. That's it. It doesn't matter which port it happens on. The URL scheme is necessary to determine what to do with whatever the client gets back. If it's Gopher, the client looks at the resource type it requested and processes it accordingly. If it's Nex, the client looks at... surprise... the trailing slash in order to detect whether it's an index with links or just plain text or some other (suffix-based) type. If it's Finger, none of that matters as everything is returned as plain text. So yeah, the port number has nothing to do with it. Having a default one is just a convenient side effect. But in my BFG, for instance, they are resolved and shown explicitly. Because in theory they might be anything. --- Luxferre --- # Mon Jun 16 17:05:29 UTC 2025 Socket knows nothing about http://, finger:// etc. All is translated to port number. URI has the option of appending an alternative. URI prefix is a application layer convenience which is unnecessary. => https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.txt That is why you can fetch anything using netcat which uses no URI prefixes at all, you just specify the port number. IanJ # Mon Jun 16 17:33:16 UTC 2025 cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi the protocol prefix is not unnecessary, unless you're using a client that only speaks one protocol anyway. the protocol prefix is necessary for multi-protocol clients, like a browser that supports both the gopher as well as the gemini protocol. the prefix determines which protocol the browser will use in order to communicate with the server at the level of an application. a protocol can be used over any port. given a protocol prefix, you can assume a default port for a specific protocol when no port is given in the uri. the reason why you can connect to anything using netcat is because netcat only establishes a socket connection and then expects you and the server to handle the application-layer protocol communication. -moth # Mon Jun 16 17:46:28 UTC 2025 Application level... IJ # Mon Jun 16 17:52:56 UTC 2025 I am so based I operate without client applications. IJ # Mon Jun 16 18:08:21 UTC 2025 based in the cellar like a traditional unix terminal gnome -moth # Mon Jun 16 19:06:16 UTC 2025 I really don't like that slash / => thing in NEX. Too complex for no reason. It's pointless. There are no NEX clients and there will be no any. Gopher bunnies were not able to make one good client for Gopher over 34 years. So good NEX client, if even needed, can be done just by someone who will also use it. And => formating would add just complexity. Ye, I like those characters =>. It's nice to mark links that way. But it's so nice itself, that it does not need any transformation to some link. It just adds fuckery to change something into something/ if link is there. none # Mon Jun 16 19:25:08 UTC 2025 You can keep actively ignoring my BFG but it actually is a client for Nex. And Gopher. And Spartan. And Gemini. And it's good enough for my usage and I know that at least one other person uses it too. And yes, it relies on trailing slashes to determine whether this is a directory or not to be able to render links inside. "Mauro, shut the fuck up... WE DON'T BREAK USERSPACE" - Linus Torvalds --- Luxferre --- # Mon Jun 16 19:47:40 UTC 2025 I prefer that only directory paths end with / NEX+ is basically the following: Title => [?=] Parameter would allow for some submitted data so people could make some search or interactive application. If you are going have title and uri on same line then please start with title, I am not interested in uri if not interested in title, but this will look horrible and the lines be too long: => Titleshit\t[?=] There have been studies on readability and line length: => https://baymard.com/blog/line-length-readability Tab is a good item to split on. If you use full uri with prefix and path then it can be anything and handled by relevant application. That is how the plumber I use works, it looks for uri prefix, suffix and then chooses the appropriate application which I specified. I've no interest in Spartan or Gemini. You can't break something that isn't really a thing, I never saw an RFC for NEX or anything other than a proposal from someone's bedroom. IJ # Mon Jun 16 19:48:11 UTC 2025 Ye, I am going to download and build half the internet just to browse plain text ;/ I am refusing to use all kind languages, tools and god knows what. No matter how cool your BFG client is. Firefox is cool too, carbon-neutral, and probably baking cookies while encrypting your data ;/ My computer is already full of UNIX/Linux junk. I will not add anything else just for reading plain text. I can browse NEX with netcat, proxy in Firefox or if needed make some shell fuckery. none # Mon Jun 16 19:53:07 UTC 2025 The fuck is this now? \xc4\xb2 ;/ Ye, NEX is unbreakable. One can do whatever he wants with it. Reading what you wrote, you could apply as committee and help to write those 100 pages of some RFC ;/ none # Mon Jun 16 19:54:50 UTC 2025 Your shitty terminal can't cope with unicode. Please upgrade to premium. IJ # Mon Jun 16 19:57:40 UTC 2025 Ye, just fighting with it ;/ I assume it's the editor. It is some version of OpenBSD vi called ovi or similar crap. Somehow BusyBox vi does not allow pipe into NPS, so have to use this shit, but will replace it probably with something more sane. none # Mon Jun 16 19:58:16 UTC 2025 IJ none # Mon Jun 16 19:59:29 UTC 2025 ☺ IJ # Mon Jun 16 20:05:53 UTC 2025 What happened to you today? unicode crap and you? Did you replace your holy grail OpenBSD with Windows 11? none # Mon Jun 16 20:08:40 UTC 2025 Not sure, maybe I suffered some brain trauma in my sleep. I wrote quite a bit today, that delayed weekly shopping and I didn't participate in the radio club net either... IanJ # Mon Jun 16 20:18:48 UTC 2025 Here we go. Less consuming and noise creates space for more You and creating. none # Mon Jun 16 20:29:18 UTC 2025 and so witness the birth of a bleak protocol for entities who believe in nothing much at all except that everything is an ascii-text file meant to be displayed in a teletype emulator any other content that cannot be displayed in a teletype emulator is meaningless bloat the concept of directories is denied existence only the barely-tolerated slash between the domain name and a filename consisting of pure alphanumeric characters remains in the sacred pursuit of austerity we strip away any semblance of meaning until only the hollow echo of nothingness remains -motzsche # Mon Jun 16 20:53:58 UTC 2025 “We join spokes together in a wheel, but it is the centre hole that makes the wagon move. We shape clay into a pot, but it is the emptiness inside that holds whatever we want. We hammer wood for a house, but it is the inner space that makes it liveable. We work with being, but non-being is what we use.” ― Lao Tzu. # Mon Jun 16 21:19:35 UTC 2025 Regarding readability and the length of text it's easy to notice now when I tried extend my words in a line here over 70 characters. Longer text is pretty annoying. On other side I don't like to break aritificially lines just to fit into some rule. Simply because the truth does not care about the length, but depth. It should be done also probably on the client side. Reading long line on 24' or 27' monitor and complain about long line is a bit awkard. none # Mon Jun 16 21:43:50 UTC 2025 Regarding URI: /path /path /path /path 001 001 001 001 What is title and what is URI? If URI starts right after "=> " it is obvious, everything until space or end of a line. Relative URIs exist as titles with one word or slash none # Mon Jun 16 22:15:09 UTC 2025 OnlyFans Link <- Title => https://onlyfans.com?profile=morena <- URI Relative links require the client to do something. Secret Diary <- Title => /private <- Relative path Somehow you need to retain the URI of the host you visited and perform some action to open them. Or you manually copy paste the relative path and run netcat again. In my terminal emulator there is a mechanism to open URI's matching 'shit://...' but not '=> /...' I could probably make it do that and when opening the initial URI via some script set an environment variable to retain host name. Then when click a relative-path link it would need to concatenate $NEX_HOST/$relative_path before passing off to whatever opens your NEX URI's. IanJ # Mon Jun 16 22:34:17 UTC 2025 Ye, then when you change host during browsing you have to update that and so on. This and that and you will make another internet explorer. And poor writer will instead 001 001 do 001 001 One extra line, why not. At least internet explorer has some work. Then catch all cases which are not even edge. Hello dear peasant, here is picture of my mom, enjoy <- Title or not? => mom.rat none # Mon Jun 16 23:42:46 UTC 2025 And again magically somehow none.rip is the only fully compliant NEX server in the world ;/ For whatever reason even someone who wrote NEX specification is not able to follow his own few lines rules. "No state is retained." For me it means, that nothing returns nothing and not something. Which translates into 0 bytes and not some error message if for example document is not found. Then obviously client can easily handle it as error if needed. none # Tue Jun 17 00:03:05 UTC 2025 I had to wrap all my long lines to max 70 here. It was painful to see it that long ;/ none # Tue Jun 17 00:21:42 UTC 2025 Well, you learned something today. It can only be a good thing. Sometimes the right thing is instinctive, other times you need to suffer a bit. The Usenet declaration of 'Fuck you.' was unnecessary. Just stirring the septic. IanJ # Tue Jun 17 00:35:04 UTC 2025 Ye, 70 characters is good for a line. Probably not forced as a dogma. More like good practice. "Fuck you" to Gopher was necessary. Sometimes the truth hurts. But it was deserved. none # Tue Jun 17 00:45:05 UTC 2025 Expletives, offensive language helps to filter. It does not sound nice and rarely adds some value to meaning. But it removes all idiots as they can't handle it and they will reject the whole thing just for one word. It's food for ego. Not everyone is ready for the truth. none # Tue Jun 17 06:54:51 UTC 2025 Interesting that you say "fuck you" to Gopher which differs from Nex just by a single TSV file spec, not to XML-RPC, WebSockets and other abominations. HTTP/2, QUIC etc have brought much more evil to the world than the poor Gopher. Also, POSIX ain't a whim of some crazy bureaucrats. It is a need. It was created for something to be compatible with something at the minimum level at least. Imagine having to rewrite all your tools once you move from a Busybox system to BSD or GNU system. POSIX allows to avoid that, showing you the minimum that really works everywhere. It's a consensus, not a dictate. You can ditch it and end up like Faildows where the only good thing that happened to it was the introduction of WSL2. Interop is the key to freedom. What's the point of talking in a language that no one else understands? --- Luxferre --- # Tue Jun 17 07:01:31 UTC 2025 And no, your understanding of the "no state is retained" in the Nex spec is not correct. It just means the server does not save any info on the client state. It can (and generally should) notify the user about non-existent resources. --- Luxferre --- # Tue Jun 17 07:12:08 UTC 2025 2"sufficient" (I know he reads this): > "title" @ url Congratulations, you just made a simple link 15x harder to parse. 1. Split by @. 2. Extract the last element as the URL. 3. Join the rest back by @ (or are you assuming a title can't have it?) 4. Strip the extra spaces and quotes to extract the title. As a bonus, you get no reliable way to detect whether the line is a link or not without extra parsing overhead. Meanwhile, the original Nex links: 1. If a string starts with '=> ', it is a link. 2. Read up to the next whitespace. It is a URL. 3. The rest to the end of the line is the title. By around 99%, the modern IT industry consists of people who love creating issues out of nothing and then heroically overcome them. Even here, they are unavoidable. --- Luxferre --- # Tue Jun 17 10:06:17 UTC 2025 It depends if you are making something to be read by machines or people. Above you make a client a requirement because a single line that includes title and URI could be extremely long and putting the title, which is the important part to a human, at the end of that potentially very long line. Read what I said above and then think carefully on your last statement. IanJ # Tue Jun 17 10:40:13 UTC 2025 IanJ, clients exist for a reason. This may be harder to read to a naked eye via bare nc but it is easier to parse and convert into a clickable link. Humans aren't supposed to see => just like they are not supposed to see or a tab-separated Gophermap lines. The => may be left as a mere visual cue that this is a link, that's all. You select or hover it and the URL itself is displayed in a dedicated place of the client, not cluttering the space on the page itself. Idk, do you listen to mp3 files in a hex editor too? --- Luxferre --- # Tue Jun 17 11:00:38 UTC 2025 Thinking on it further, NEX is nonsense. A link in any text document displayed in my terminal is an item I can select[1] from a menu or middle click. It is then passed on to the plumber which decides which application to open it with based on its URI prefix and the file suffix. So any URIs displayed in my terminal are interactive. That goes for mutt, irc, gopher, nex or a plain old text file viewed in less. I have transcended all smol-protocols and returned to the source. [1] gopher://gopher.icu/0/phlog/Computing/Smart-terminal-not-client.md IanJ # Tue Jun 17 11:03:17 UTC 2025 No, I listen to them using my ears. ;) IanJ # Tue Jun 17 11:07:00 UTC 2025 It's not nonsense. It's more powerful than Gopher or Gemini or any othe crap out there. It does not limit you in anyway. Ye, I already mentioned that => can be pointless. Until you have relative link like "filename" Your plumber or terminal has no idea that it is link without some defined rule. Your toolset can't know that this is link: 001 Hello there! none # Tue Jun 17 11:17:28 UTC 2025 IanJ, now I had to manually copy/paste your Gopher URL instead of just clicking on it if you had prepended it with => instead of [1]. Also, why reinvent xdg-open? --- Luxferre --- # Tue Jun 17 11:20:21 UTC 2025 Use a reference[1] like in a book or other text document. Relative URI's are not nice in that, as I described before, you have to do some shenanigans in the background to keep track of the host you visited in the first place to attach the relative file path. How do you currently cope with relative links? [1] /relativeshit I see you already have an attachment ... IanJ # Tue Jun 17 11:31:48 UTC 2025 > And no, your understanding of the "no state is retained" in the Nex > spec is not correct. It just means the server does not save any info > on the client state. Correct. Thanks for enlightenment. I still love 0 bytes answer. No waste. No noise. No downloading file with one line error message. Regarding links. Anything works if someone make a thing for himself and not for imagined million who will never use or appreciate it anyway. Software is shit also because everything is made for everybody and has to cover every edge case. > Interop is the key to freedom. What's the point of talking in a > language that no one else understands? POSIX? Like Android or macOS? You want to talk a common language and the only words allowed are from 1988. Broken layers over broken layers in UNIX and emulation of teletypwriters is your POSIX. So you program software based on POSIX spreadsheet and not based on what is really needed and wanted. That's stagnation. There will come time, when whole Linux kernel just fall down and everything will be so bloated and filled with teletype style code that nothing will work anymore. Maybe even UEFI itself will start crashing. Fear of moving forward. That's POSIX. It's style for control, corporations, governments, fascists who want keep you in a cage. It is not for humans. > Interesting that you say "fuck you" to Gopher which differs from Nex > just by a single TSV file spec, not to XML-RPC, WebSockets and other > abominations. HTTP/2, QUIC etc have brought much more evil to the > world than the poor Gopher. WebSockets never claimed to be simple. Gopher did. And failed. Just because HTTP/2 is cancer doesn't make Gopher clean. I can't even put this board or any other text one the main page. As if it's not a menu, clients go crazy. Otherwise that "Fuck you Gopher" text would be on index page. But Gopher can't display simple plain text. Gopher is trash like POSIX and your favorite tyletypewriter emulator. none # Tue Jun 17 11:33:30 UTC 2025 > How do you currently cope with relative links? You can read it in the BFG source code. => https://codeberg.org/luxferre/BFG/src/branch/main/bfg.tcl Here it is. # resolve the url as local if it doesn't contain a scheme if {[::uri::isrelative "$url"]} { regexp {^(.*)://} $rooturl _ lscheme # case 1: it has 2 slashes in the forward, case 2: it has 1 slash # case 3: it has a suffix on the end, case 4: the rest if {[string match "//*" "$url"]} { set url [string cat "$lscheme" ":" "$url"] } elseif {[string match "/*" "$url"]} { set url [string cat "$rooturl" "$url"] } elseif {[regexp {.*/[^/]+$} "$prevurl"]} { set url [string cat "$prevurl" "/../" "$url"] } else { set url [string cat "$prevurl" "/" "$url"] } # recanonicalize the URL set url [regsub {^http://} [::uri::canonicalize [regsub {^.*://} "$url" "http://"]] "$lscheme://"] } Problem? Yes, BFG passed the Gemini smoke tests at the time of writing. Those tests included all the URL edge cases. Of course, you need to have a _current_ URL in the context for your client (or whatever you're building) to be able to resolve relative links. Not sure how your urxvt-specific crutch can cope with this. --- Luxferre --- # Tue Jun 17 11:34:10 UTC 2025 So this is good? [1] /relativeshit And this bad? => /relativeshit It is even one less character with => none # Tue Jun 17 11:35:04 UTC 2025 xdg-open is horrible to configure and work with. It attempts to be smart, looking for suitable applications from a predetermined list based on what's installed. Depending on the package maintainer it may or may not work very well. If you have two suitable applications installed it will default to the first one it finds from the list causing you a lot of grief to find and change the order. The plumber is very much more simple, opener applications are specified via easily modifiable environment variables. It is vastly easier to work with and hack on. I didn't write it but have contributed patches to it. That you couldn't handle the URI is due to you using a dedicated client. Smart-terminal-not-client. IanJ # Tue Jun 17 11:42:22 UTC 2025 At least using [1] with an index you can use the search function to find it, rather than having your text littered with lines containing: => http://somereallylongassurl.com/followedby/some/more/nonsense?helpmeplease Current specification? has the title text after the URL. Pretty retarded if you ask me. So now you have to ask yourself what you are clinging to. --- I am using a urxvt crutch, but it is just one crutch. Not one for every protocol I wish to access. It is a lower level abstraction than keep writing or modifying client software. IanJ # Tue Jun 17 11:50:30 UTC 2025 > Smart-terminal-not-client "I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as terminal, is in fact, VT100 emulator." I think I was never able to setup xdg-open, tried several times, then never used it. It was shit experience like whole Xorg. Current NEX bedroom text called specification does not say anything about text following URI. It's kind like bloat added. It says just about "=> ". The rest is fuckery. But not prohibited. none # Tue Jun 17 11:55:17 UTC 2025 Why I use that text after URI? Because I don't want to have filenames like "Phlog-questions-challenge:-technology-edition.md" ;/ I prefer just 001 none # Tue Jun 17 12:03:06 UTC 2025 IanJ, of course I am using a dedicated client that doesn't support _inline_ links because it doesn't need to. You, on the other hand, offload all the complexity of inline link parsing to an already bloated enough terminal application. Might as well use a web browser at this point. Writing custom clients really shows the amount of effort needed to support this or that protocol, that's the only way to truly see how complex or simple it is. I can use the curl command to query Nex servers by just specifying the gopher:// scheme and the 1900 port afterwards. Does it make it a client? No. It won't generate clickable links or resolve relative URLs. It just fetches the text. But I know what to further do with it. It's not that hard to pass those link lines through sed and get whatever format you need to click them in your urxt. For the relative links though, you still will need the context of what you had requested in the first place. It's just how it works. Spartan, AFAIK, prohibits relative URLs altogether. Is this approach better in any way? I don't think so. --- Luxferre --- # Tue Jun 17 12:16:39 UTC 2025 2sufficient: > For whom/what? For those who want to present their users with clickable links as opposed to having to copy/paste everything or rely on terminal specific hackery. > I'm far more interested in writing for humans than winning software parse-ability contests. Humans use clients. If not interested in BFG, try Lagrange. That's an example of what actual humans use. They don't care about the internal link representation. Deal with it. --- Luxferre --- # Tue Jun 17 13:00:42 UTC 2025 Oh lol. I have imagined how this would look like: resolving Nex links (including relative ones) into the format suggested by sufficient for the IanJ's terminal handlers using only POSIX tools. I'll deliberately not truncate this command line for you to feel the pain. __=nex://none.rip:1900;curl ${__/nex/gopher}|sed -E 's/^\=> ([^ \t]+) (.+)$/=> \2 @ %%%\1/g;s|%%%(.+://)|\1|g;s/^=>\s+|\s+$//g'|sed -E "s|%%%|$__/|g;s|(.+://[^/]+)//|\1/|g" At least there's no custom client. Is that what y'all wanted? --- Luxferre --- # Tue Jun 17 13:20:26 UTC 2025 endless protocol spergery when most texts end up looking the same a multi protocol browser with a coherent aesthetic and interface will blur the lines -moth # Tue Jun 17 13:49:19 UTC 2025 Still subscribed to comp.infosystems.gopher I see ;) IanJ # Tue Jun 17 14:18:38 UTC 2025 2sufficient: > Context can give a (human) reader hints as to whether the information they imagine possibly being at the other end of a link will be worth whatever effort they imagine required to get to that end. A single, "objective" solution to subjective needs is somewhere between silly and massive overkill. Let those with personal information needs decide, let the information be more valuable for requiring expenditure of effort to get to it, etc. > And if someone's not intelligent enough to figure it out, they don't deserve the pot of information gold they imagine to be at the end of the link rainbow anyway. Put in the work, or go without. This is not even funny anymore. This is the hipstest pseudo-elitist shit I've ever read in years. Information doesn't get less or more valuable or useful based on how many hoops one has to get through in order to obtain it. Might as well put a paywall to access your "precious" posts about nothing. And yes, the only thing it has to do with intelligence is pretty much the opposite of what you assume: only stupid people enjoy manual repetitive actions of copying and pasting domains and whatnot. Besides, if a client is written properly, it's not that hard to adapt/extend it to whatever crazy format you come up with. But who and what are you in the first place for anyone to even consider any effort of going through all those hoops? "What will you do when all your toys are broken? What will you say when all your lines are spoken?" - The Kovenant --- Luxferre --- # Tue Jun 17 14:33:09 UTC 2025 > Still subscribed to comp.infosystems.gopher I see ;) you been nippin on the panther piss moonshine again now that you finally broke free from the shackles of umn gopher why not smoke sum weed and enjoy the beautiful i-lines and ansi color codes dropped there for you by your fellow critters -moth # Tue Jun 17 15:04:31 UTC 2025 guess how much debates i had how much time i spent adding preliminary support for nex to the client? => gopher://238c.org/I/nuggs.png -moth # Tue Jun 17 15:07:58 UTC 2025 none - Your file naming convention is like a kinder-egg, you have no idea what is inside until you open it. ;) If you sensibly name your files you need not open them to know what lies within. Your file name is your title. Maybe you didn't notice but my gopher link titles are the filename with the '-' replaced with a space and the suffix removed. IanJ # Tue Jun 17 15:11:27 UTC 2025 moth - Looks like you are actively developing on a commodore 64 terminal. Congratulations. IanJ # Tue Jun 17 15:14:16 UTC 2025 So ladies, did you fix the link issue? Is there some new standard maybe RFC draft? I need to know what to use. What I really want to avoid is that I open some link which is not fully POSIX compliant. Imagine that disaster. So because of this, from now I will not click any fucking link that is not fully compliant to the new The Internet Link standard. What sufficient wrote about "homework" of a person is not the hipstest, pseudo-elitist and so on. This is actually one of the core elements, not a superficial detail. "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." Translated: I will write less you swines! ;/ It's often forgotten currently, everyone wants everything easy peasy and fast. They get it. The problem is, it's just junk, not a gem. You normally don't fucking find a diamond or golden vein on the street where every random idiot is pissing. I think with respect of POSIX, UNIX and Windows registry this "The Board of Heroes" package will require also "sufficient" as dependency. none # Tue Jun 17 15:27:51 UTC 2025 > Your file naming convention is like a kinder-egg, you have no > idea what is inside until you open it. ;) You want to know before you open it? Just 9,99 EUR/month premium membership. You will get daily diggest about content of each file by email. Emails will be fully compliant with all RFCs that are needed for mails: RFC 5321, RFC 5322, RFC 6531, RFC 6532, RFC 1870, RFC 2033, RFC 7504, RFC 1845, RFC 3030, RFC 6152, RFC 2045, RFC 2046, RFC 2047, RFC 2048, RFC 2049, RFC 4288, RFC 4408, RFC 7208, RFC 6376, RFC 7489, RFC 8314, RFC 5323, RFC 3461, RFC 3834, RFC 6533, RFC 2156. No risk! Standard email as your daily enlightenment soup. none # Tue Jun 17 15:34:34 UTC 2025 At least now you know what protocol to read upon if you have trouble sleeping. ;) IanJ # Tue Jun 17 15:39:36 UTC 2025 > moth - Looks like you are actively developing on a commodore 64 terminal. Congratulations. thanks for the congrats writing a gui-based multi-protocol browser from scratch in c with a minimal amount of dependencies must be impressive for a perl scripter that's a version of topaz btw -moth # Tue Jun 17 15:42:48 UTC 2025 Wait, I am not clicking until I get the confirmation links to RFCs are also fully compliant with Lux's Link standard. Ideally RFC browser is in Tcl with TLS, to be safe and not sorry. No more Click and Pray. I will call also Stallman and other old sick assholes to confirm I am on the right side of the history. none # Tue Jun 17 15:52:11 UTC 2025 > It's often forgotten currently, everyone wants everything easy peasy and fast. They get it. The problem is, it's just junk, not a gem. ye that burlesque performance of a heckling buddha coming from the comfort of a seat in the peanut gallery has all the entertaining wisdoms that one needs in life -moth # Tue Jun 17 21:27:15 UTC 2025 > gui-based multi-protocol browser from scratch in c with a minimal > amount of dependencies Multiculti GUI, that's mothern software. # Wed Jun 18 11:25:32 UTC 2025 Look at him! Keeper of rust, defender of legacy, gatekeeper of rot, RFC hoarder, priest of POSIX, collector of obsolete man pages, last worshipper of the altar of tape drives. Zealot of sed, awk, whisperer of infinite long command lines. His .kshrc is longer than most novels, his .vimrc does not fit in a screen to drive 30MB monster editor. Grand inquisitor of backward compatibility. Speaks fluent morse code, calls manpages bedtime stories. The last man who formats disks with disklabel like it's a sacred ritual. A mile long link has more characters than whole poetry inside: => gopher://gopher.icu/0/phlog/Philosophical-ramblings/Adherence-is-a-choice.md One has to fear that end of the link will jump out of LCD display. lie://lie.icu/wtf/path/path/path/path/path/path/hello-mom-and-other-stories.shit His signature? awk 'BEGIN{codes[1]=73;codes[2]=97;codes[3]=110;codes[4]=74;res="";for(i=1;i<=4;i++){res=res sprintf("%c",codes[i])} print res}' none # Wed Jun 18 13:24:29 UTC 2025 > Multiculti GUI, that's mothern software. i must've exposed your sensitive skin when shaving a bald patch into the thick hair on your back -moth # Wed Jun 18 14:10:41 UTC 2025 re: adherence blah blah ego complaining about the sight of another ego i've seen the kind of 'better' that can be had at the prospect of submitting to certain collectives in these spaces i refuse to adhere; slash and burn wide lines aren't a problem; with client support, 'wide lines' allow people to reflow paragraphs of text according to their preference who are you hurting? despite all of the imaginary problems we're still communicating even when some of the tools differ significantly from the unix approach -moth # Wed Jun 18 15:40:12 UTC 2025 Any idiot can learn to write ill conceived software in a multitude of languages. For every new protocol a new client, or an expansion of an existing one. I forgot where I read it but it was quite recently: "The world needs less software." I would add that it needs fewer protocols, fewer data formats and fewer people professing they know better than those before them. IanJ # Wed Jun 18 16:26:22 UTC 2025 ianj is fellating himself in public again no one asked to see this how many times did you attempt to learn c? you still aren't anywhere close to being fluent in the language that is intrinsically tied to the family of operating systems at which altar you worship yet you call other people idiots who are able to express themselves in this language as if it was their mother tongue and call what they are able to accomplish ill conceived i use one client for gopher, gemini and now nex; not a separate client for each protocol. instead of whining online about the perceived deficiencies of each protocol like the grand poobah ianj i simply add support for it as i see fit and there is nothing that you can do about it why not write an article about the impotency of a person who cannot do what he wants and engages in endless social maneuvering in order to get others to do what he needs -moth # Wed Jun 18 16:33:52 UTC 2025 > "The world needs less software." => gopher://verisimilitudes.net/02025-06-06 Enjoy 100-character lines from social media consumer ;/ > I would add that it needs fewer protocols, fewer data formats > and fewer people professing they know better than those before them. That would require to start the fire and burn every noise to ashes. So only what is real remains. Otherwise people naturally create another software, workaround, patch for the current junk. As usually stupidity often wins, so they create just another trash which will later needs another hackery ;/ none # Wed Jun 18 17:36:07 UTC 2025 moth, you assume too much and to assume is to make an ASS out of yoU and ME. I ask for nothing and contribute patches where I find issues. You on the other hand, contribute nothing positive anywhere as far as I see. > i simply add support for it as i see fit and there is nothing that > you can do about it. Keep adding to it, I don't want to stop you. Eventually you will drown in your own shit. The benefit of your selfishness is that at least you won't cause anyone else to suffer... IanJ # Wed Jun 18 18:54:22 UTC 2025 these are not assumptions these are reflections of your own statements you're not 'seeing any positive contributions' because i have no need to let you see what you perceive as me drowning in my own shit is a reflection of your meatsack as seen in a distorted carnival mirror -moth # Wed Jun 18 20:16:16 UTC 2025 Ladies, I need some good human ( bad is acceptable too ), that will email clown from mozz.us that he change his bookmarks at nex://mozz.us/bookmarks/ to nex://none.rip/. As everyone who is in his senses know that morena died. He does not, and he should. We don't keep dead vintage regrets here, correct? Only IanJ can, he is our chaos archivist. At the bottom he has email: https://portal.mozz.us/about Please don't tell him, I called him clown. After job is done, please report back to me, so I can sleep well that world is in order. Imagine some people still use email in 2025. They can't be contacted other way. Sad world is moving in our heads. Fun fact of the day: Hit-and-runners - most famous creators, legacy code lords and just all those old, fat and ugly protocol pathogens rarely use junk they created. Most of them soft touching their shiny macbooks. Almost no one used Linux or BSD. They just tell you to ;/ That's obvious, they are creators, not users, they don't need to use. It's your job to suffer ;/ Ideally if you pay them. And yes, you do. I wanted to write article, but they don't deserve it. Fuck them. This board will flush mushrooms sooner. Luckily. none # Wed Jun 18 21:04:30 UTC 2025 Options: * Write a letter * Send a telegram * Carrier pigeon Email replaced the previous options. So, in the name of sanity send an email, even if you can't receive a response. This is like declaring you don't shop at from amazon then getting you mom to order for you. ;) IanJ # Wed Jun 18 21:31:41 UTC 2025 I used Amazon once and not so long ago to get HHKB classic. It was only option for me practically. Good experience. It's ridiculous that any random rice eater from China can send any junk around the world, but some big Japan corporation is unable to sell a keybaord. They have just "buy in amazon" link. Good old time when Slovaks made everything from a pencil, tanks to planes. Now we just destroying fertile soil, creating debt, so masters can own us and in free time we work as slaves in these concentration camps for food and shelters. But. Worse conditions, the more absurd happenings around, what we often call life, has potential to wake us up. It did not happen last 50 000 years, but it was different. Now we are around the breaking point. There is now available one subtle essence, what was never here. The catalyst none.rip. none # Wed Jun 18 21:49:15 UTC 2025 The reason there is so much shitty software in the world is because developers don't use it themselves. => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food IanJ # Wed Jun 18 22:11:38 UTC 2025 Does wikipedia use NPS or just propaganda? Funny, like Amazon, I once also entered shit into Wikipedia. Not so long ago too. Added some entry for Gopher. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comp.*_hierarchy So ye, I did all the dirty work for you. none # Wed Jun 18 22:48:56 UTC 2025 Sufficient, pretty fucked up nickname, just for your information ;/ Still better probably than luxerepe or what that lunatic uses. Anyway, I see big heart in you. Send it without expectation for reply. Reply is not needed in this case. You just push karma to him. We wash our hands and all dirty work will be on him. I never used gemini, it's worse than web. Ye sharing over Gopher while serving NEX is not really much extra work. It is still online. Will keep it for few more days as reminder what not to use again. Ye protocol pandering. I had to remove noise. Sometimes even very subtle thing, thing that requires almost no extra breath is still something. Some extra noise which is there. On some level those little things can sometime have meaning. How far is one from the truth? That being called and identified as human, person. How much is needed to wake up, if we can call it that way? Less than one heartbeat. Not really hard work, or long journey. Just remove that very subtle piece of shit which blocks to be aware of awareness. In reality it is even smaller, because that little blocking shit does not exist. It's so funny. Like the biggest joke of life. So in reality, remove something that does not even exist. Like pretending. There is not even something to remove, as there is nothing ;/ It's very funny. Some kind of life's paradox. One would say, that just stop thinking or so. But one can't stop to think, because there is no thinking. Interesting phenomenon that is not possible to somehow express in language. That's probably the reason why so many gurus in history tried and not one was successful. And brother, some pushed hard whole their life. And what was left after them were just bunch of followers and students. No idea why nobody ever created none.rip before. That would change everything long time ago. Everything is as it should be. Good time to be on the Earth now when none.rip is alive. Anyway, what I tried to say, send that email. Like the Sun sends its ray. It's crucial for the Universe to exist. It has to be done. none # Wed Jun 18 23:02:41 UTC 2025 Ye, imagine you are just infront the light. All is setup, you just have to stay, do nothing. No distance, just the only one fraction of the smallest unit of time in head. And boom, your wife come and tell you to water plants. Universe destroyed and suffering continue. Regarding current world events, I have to also add. Next time IanJ will start talk shit, ye that IanJ who called you a psychopath and sent you to exile, just tell him, that while he was shopping on Amazon, thinking about his mom, you did all the work! none # Thu Jun 19 10:09:14 UTC 2025 Suff, this sounds good, short and simple. Not only it can be sufficient, but also suffering ;/ Ye, suff is good. > I liked it for a while, but it didn't like me. Perhaps everyone > there is luxelitist in disguise? Oh ye, those "liberals" they know the best how things should be in the world and what everyone should do. There is always some energy involved and certain things attract certain "minds". Like gemini, encryption and practically every fucking hipster club online. They jump in, try to destroy it - change it to own stupidity. If they are slapped and clearly irrelevant there, they leave. They can't sustain silence. They need food. Always something, somebody. That's why complex and fucked up systems attract them. Continuous fuckery, drama, worldfixing issues ;/ none # Thu Jun 19 12:02:56 UTC 2025 Suffy, that's how friends call you ;/ Ye, nighfall is fall, they got it correct. It's nice, structured, you can click and click until eternity, but there is nothing. One may imagine how it's possible that so many words and nothing said. Even "hello world" waste is better. As there is less noise. You visit, and close, you know there is nothing. But in this decay you just waste lot of time just walking in a cemetery. none # Thu Jun 19 13:13:44 UTC 2025 I'm not sure if Sufficient is the creator of nightfall.city but, if you look briefly under /shore it appears like some ghost town. My suggestion would be to list homesteads by activity rather than alphabetical, or a separate listing by activity. At least then visitors may see some activity there and decide to stay/join. If you arrive in a ghost town, you would leave quickly once the novelty wore off. --- Your daily dose of UNIX propaganda: => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0 IanJ # Thu Jun 19 13:37:09 UTC 2025 What activity? ;/ There is no activity. Suffy is not falling creator. He is that poor peasant you sent into exile. The one who typed here, what you called psychopathy or something like that. => nex://nightfall.city/shore/sufficient/ But he did not stop, nobody can stop him! He just continue to push his propaganda from exile. That's one of three active NEX server. none # Thu Jun 19 13:39:52 UTC 2025 Regarding fossils of UNIX. Fun fact of the day. Ken Thompson not so long ago moved away from Apple and macOS to Raspberry Pi OS ;/ none # Thu Jun 19 14:15:54 UTC 2025 What was earlier, the chicken or the egg? The egg, of course, because it was laid by a proto-chicken. Now, what was earlier, the song or my nickname? I leave it up to you to decide. ' => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_LQTf1IVo --- Luxferre --- # Thu Jun 19 14:35:44 UTC 2025 > Raspberry Pi OS The OS formerly known as Raspbian, aka Debian tailored to run on the Pi. Says a lot that he didn't join the Plan9 on Pi effort... IanJ # Thu Jun 19 14:44:14 UTC 2025 Rob Pike said it over 20 years ago, that Plan 9 is impractical ;/ When his new master was Google. none # Thu Jun 19 15:02:50 UTC 2025 i could make a case for plan 9 but i have no horse in this race what we need is less of the white-collar boi's game of hobbling the competition thru social bullshit like gossiping and character assassination and more of a focus on the things that matter to us -moth # Thu Jun 19 15:18:03 UTC 2025 the alternative is to do the same as the alleged 'them' and when you oppose 'them' why would you not want to do different instead of getting locked into an eternal game of 'NO U'? -moth # Thu Jun 19 15:25:03 UTC 2025 i also have a track to share: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpATBBRajP8 -moth # Thu Jun 19 15:38:21 UTC 2025 > He is that poor peasant you sent into exile. I didn't send anyone anywhere. I just commented indicating that I saw no value in his psychobabble. His own dedicated space for those interested is the place for that kind of thing. I welcome anyone to participate in the discussion. It's not my intention to drive people away who want to participate. But if I want to listen to preachers I'll go to a church... IanJ # Thu Jun 19 15:41:07 UTC 2025 you need to take your time and listen to understand what he's saying i don't know what gets you there maybe do drugs -moth # Thu Jun 19 16:26:17 UTC 2025 hate something sometime someway something kick off the front floor mine, something inside i'll never ever follow so give me something that is for real i'll never ever follow -moth # Thu Jun 19 16:31:42 UTC 2025 god paged me you'll never see the light who wants to see god told me i've already got the life oh, i say god paged me you'll never see the light who wants to see go told me i've already got the life oh, i say # Thu Jun 19 16:37:50 UTC 2025 Mothernism. More available for premium subscribers. 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Source code available. none # Thu Jun 19 16:37:57 UTC 2025 MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE god paged me you'll never see the light who wants to see gold told me i've already got the life oh, i say god paged me you'll never see the life who wants to see god told me i've already go the life got the life got the life got the life # Thu Jun 19 17:01:30 UTC 2025 you hate the moth and the moth represents that which you hate it'sa mutually exclsusive thing of hate until we meet on the real thing tell me you hate me when i'm the one who keeps your place in shape you want to be the queen of the court but you know you need me to elevate you to the level of queen and you might as well be a queen -moth # Thu Jun 19 17:22:15 UTC 2025 defenetly not a hero. but i do try to play along. i am on my own, and have no intention to merge fun is the objective. was wondering that the ip adress you exposed on the last version of the page was not a good idea. i like transparency but it does not fit into the same cup as privacy. hm... and looks like all the gardening... i came back to zero. somehow my efords to make some NFD were anulated. was i punished? anyway here some local vibes: => nex://nightfall.city/nex/in/modro/officebefore/ uf. i do need a beer now. see you in the pub! hope we get two glases of beer for two NFD # Thu Jun 19 18:17:08 UTC 2025 my address is arbitrary but i'm listening to you here we are talking to one another i recognize your avatar as you recognize mine and all is as it needs to be have a good weekend -moth # Thu Jun 19 18:24:10 UTC 2025 let's see how far the signal will fling, milady # Thu Jun 19 18:55:28 UTC 2025 thye'll tell you that i'm a mossad agent but at the the end of the day search your feelings is that what the moth is really about? -moth # Thu Jun 19 19:19:57 UTC 2025 Loud is the noise, but no intelligible signal. ... --- ... ... --- ... IanJ # Thu Jun 19 19:44:50 UTC 2025 ianj is is confused and scared follow 'im down his old man rabbit hole he promises safety and security and the occasional rape. -moth # Thu Jun 19 19:56:14 UTC 2025 ianj why don't you ask around and figure out how little i'm contributing maybe put up another distorted cardboard of a moth that you can attack -moth # Fri Jun 20 08:17:06 UTC 2025 artifacts rolling down thru the generations the heirloom is a katamari ball -moth # Fri Jun 20 08:17:37 UTC 2025 temporality; inherent value of code; implementation of ideas concepts transcend the cycles reincarnation; aspect of reality -moth # Fri Jun 20 08:28:57 UTC 2025 compute -moth # Fri Jun 20 12:25:18 UTC 2025 If somebody like to post some junk, it's good time. The board will be wiped out later today. none # Fri Jun 20 12:40:17 UTC 2025 Those cutesy-ass poems are fucking unbearable. For me. They may be something objectively, god knows. Probably "something" for the writter. I can't stand that flowery, rhyming garbage. none # Fri Jun 20 12:56:46 UTC 2025 I like suffy's daily words. One of the reason is my trashy English. I barely understand half of his writtings. So I can decode it based on level of my stupidity. On other hand, I don't understand a single bit of moth's shit too. But those are fucking annoying to me no matter of meaning. none # Fri Jun 20 13:01:27 UTC 2025 > "Objectively" is a pipe dream. Ye, I wanted to write something like that, but did not want sound too smart ;/ none # Fri Jun 20 13:20:56 UTC 2025 awareness of your emotional responses to the writing of others could help you manage your suffering -moth # Fri Jun 20 13:23:19 UTC 2025 Interesting phenomenon of life. No matter what you do, you can't touch somebody else. Ye, fictional ego can hit hard another fictional character. But. If you meet some aware being, everything is different. No matter how hard "your" words hit "his" words, both sides not only know "their" words are not their, but even that there is not something like "your" and "his". So you can practically drop a nuclear bomb into "his" words and it will still stay just as word game. It will never touch a being. Of course, ego is there, that asshole which can sometime feel some pain, but it is recognized, even in that time when ego pain feels almost real. none # Fri Jun 20 13:44:38 UTC 2025 you and others reach me i have emotional responses much like everyone else perhaps your ego does not like it when another ego has more of a choice over when and how to respond -moth # Fri Jun 20 13:44:47 UTC 2025 Am I the only one tho can't read the word "heirloom" correctly on the first time? I always read it as "heil room" or something. --- Luxferre --- # Fri Jun 20 13:47:58 UTC 2025 Here's an example of minimalism as opposed to whatever hypocrisy is popular here. => https://www.chessprogramming.org/BootChess "512 bytes ought to be enough for everybody" --- Luxferre --- # Fri Jun 20 13:56:10 UTC 2025 Time to ditch OS and run just firmware ;/ none # Fri Jun 20 14:20:37 UTC 2025 That's exactly what they do on ESP8266EX, for instance. --- Luxferre --- # Fri Jun 20 14:33:43 UTC 2025 > Am I the only one tho can't read the word "heirloom" correctly on the first time? I always read it as "heil room" or something. you're the only one > Here's an example of minimalism as opposed to whatever hypocrisy is popular here. psssh, defo lip-serving hypocrites around here who haven't stripped down their life so much that even 'living' feels optional -moth # Fri Jun 20 15:38:46 UTC 2025 Another 10 meter long link: => gopher://gopher.icu/0/phlog/Computing/URI-open--plumber-and-xclip.md "*Note: * If you are into self flagellation you could instead use xdg-open." Ye, xdg-open is open, so one can replace it with anything. I will send this article to my mom, so she knows how to deal with the internet from now ;/ Based on the linked article: => gopher://gopher.icu/0/phlog/Computing/Smart-terminal-not-client.md One question pop ups in my non existend mind. Is this some operating system? => https://openbsd.app/tree?name=x11/rxvt-unicode At least Perl is already bloated into OpenBShit, so it's not there. none # Fri Jun 20 16:22:45 UTC 2025 > Is this some operating system? Yeah, when you paste the same section twice it looks really big doesn't it? ......misc/shared-mime-info is listed twice. => https://openbsd.app/tree?name=www/mozilla-firefox IanJ # Fri Jun 20 16:24:43 UTC 2025 HONK SHOO mimimimimi snrrk... huh, cool definitely more unix-like unlike what i'm doing -moth # Fri Jun 20 16:36:24 UTC 2025 Firefox does not change anything in rxvt. No matter how good or bad Firefox is has nothing to do with rxvt. Defending a serial killer by pointing to some genocide does not make the killer a saint. Don't defend junk. It's not your junk, it's just junk. none # Fri Jun 20 16:41:01 UTC 2025 he said it's smart that's how you know it's better > rxvt-unicode (urxvt) has approximately 73,309 lines of code -moth # Fri Jun 20 16:46:10 UTC 2025 I'm not criticising your choices. Maybe get your own house in order before criticising mine? Pointing the finger at my terminal doesn't change the fact you use the most bloated pieces of shit in the open source world. The Linux kernel and Firefox. IanJ # Fri Jun 20 16:57:41 UTC 2025 words are weapons -moth # Fri Jun 20 17:03:37 UTC 2025 Ye, that's the point. I am not pointing finger at "your" and not comparing it to "mine". I pointed finger at rxvt. Only rxvt junk. It has nothing to do with you. So don't defend it. It's not your existence. Even if I say to someone that he is an idiot. I never mean "he". It's just some story, idea, action that is idiotic. Person level bullshit. Most problems in the world are because of this. It's not personal. Don't take anything personaly. Nothing has anything to do with you. Quit envying beloved Firefox. Get Raspberry Pi 5 and you can use it too instead of Google kid Chrome. You Chrome fan! none # Fri Jun 20 17:11:11 UTC 2025 But. If you want to compare size, height and weight. Just let me know the size of used disk at your OpenBshit machine ;/ My nonemachine desktop, beloved RPI 5 uses around 1.3 GB. Your? Firefox with dependencies is responsible for half of it. none # Fri Jun 20 17:17:43 UTC 2025 > I am not pointing finger at "your" and not comparing it to "mine". ye no fucking finger pointing at anyone's junk and no comparing sizes that's rude -moth # Fri Jun 20 17:18:38 UTC 2025 Better to put finger into own ass ;/ To smell the reality. none # Fri Jun 20 17:29:18 UTC 2025 > Better to put finger into own ass ;/ To smell the reality. > none another one for my collection of smolvania's rich idioms and wisdoms -moth # Fri Jun 20 17:44:03 UTC 2025 Please collect and keep it safe for now. Later offered for premium users. none # Fri Jun 20 19:52:54 UTC 2025 "What is the difference between NPS and MSG??" NPS over port 1915 here is public none.rip/board - The board of Heroes The same NPS but over port 1925 is private, message just for me. none